LDS has some credible candidate baptisms for the William Julian
marrying in Roche 1781
20 JUN 1742 Saint Wenn
(would be 39 at marriage. St Wenn 3 miles N of Roche)
12 AUG 1747
Withiel (probably him marrying in Withiel in
19 MAY 1756 Withiel
(would be 25 at marriage. Withiel 3 miles N of Roche)
Parents Richard and Mary Julian
There is a family for Richard and Mary
Julian in an Ancestry tree (Julian/Brenton), being born in
Withiel - also in LDS
24 Nov 1755), William (b 19 May 1756), Jenepher (b 3
Jan 1758), Mary (b 14 Feb 1760)
There is no marriage in the LDS but a
possible christenig for the father in Withiel 28 Nov
LDS has nothing interesting for burials
OPC Burials nothing for William or Jenifer Julian
Roche Site has William christened 13 Jan 1782, son of
William and Jenifer (surname recorded as Jellings)
Pearce christened 8 Jun 1759, dau of John & Mary Pearce.
christening for William b abt 1755, or burial that fits
Roche site Burial referencing Trerank Common Elizabeth
Julian 4 Mar 1855 aged 73 , ie b 1782
Jenny Meadows Emails (Nov 2014)
A couple of
beautifully researched emails arrived from Jenny. Many
thanks to Jenny for the work, and for sharing it. Note she
points out that some of her links are not proven, but this
is pretty normal this far back. Quoting the body of her
emails (with editorial interjections in italics):
currently researching Richard Julian and wife Mary ?
in Withiel and I came across your site while looking
for their son William Julian who was bapt in Withiel,
Cornwall in 1756. I notice you have a
William Julian born about 1755 who married Jenifer
Pearce (born 1756 daughter of John Pearce and Mary
?) in Roche in 1781. You have 5 children
for William and Jenifer but I found a 6th child
Richard baptised in Roche on 07 Mar 1785 so looking at
all their children's Christian names below, it's
possible that your William was the one born in Withiel
in 1756 -
1782 named after himself
1783 after maternal and paternal mother
after paternal father
after maternal father
or Frank after Jenefer's youngest brother
I tried looking for the
children's baptisms in Roche original parish register
images on familysearch but I can't find baptisms from
1781 to 1792. Do you have these?
(No Les Rowley)
I had a look at some
Julian marriages in Roche and it looks William senior
was still alive and was a witness at his son William
and Elizabeth Liddicoat's marriage in 1804 but
William Junior was the witness when his brother John
married Frances Liddicoat in 1818 so I had a look for
burials between 1804 and 1818 and found William Julian Senior died in
Tregoss, Roche in 1815 and was buried on 22 Sep
1815 aged 64. This gives him a birth year
of about 1751 which is 5 years out but it is highly
likely that this is the right William. Jenifer
listed as Jane also died in Tregoss and was buried 11
Jul 1838 aged 83.
I've also had a look
for marriages for the other children and found these
which might be them -
Julian and Thomas Cornelius 10 Jun 1811 in Roche
witnesses William Julian and John Rowe
Julian and Elizabeth Stuthridge 12 Oct 1812 in St.
Dennis no witnesses
Julian and Mary Retallick 15 Jan 1820 in Roche
witnesses Andrew Pearce and John Rowe
Jenifer / Jane Julian and Isaac
Grigg 29 Jul 1827 in Roche witnesses William Julian
and George Liddicoat
Lastly have you
looked at the 1816 Will for William Julian,
blacksmith in Roche? (No Les Rowley)
last email I've found two more children for William Julian
andJenifer Pearce and have listed their 8 children's
baptismal dates which I'veconfirmed with the Roche parish
William 13 Jan 1782
Mary 06 Jan 1783
Richard 07 Mar 1785
John 24 Mar 1787
Jenifer 11 May 1789
Francis (Frank) 23 Feb 1792
Catherine 15 Apr 1795
Elizabeth (Betty) 08 Jun 1798
of Jenifer Pearse may have been John Pearse and Mary
Dungey who married in Mawgan in Pydar in 1736.
Mary's parents may have been Francis Dungey and Elizabeth
Roberts who married in Mawgan in Pydar in 1709.
Looking at the
naming pattern of William Julian and Jenifer Pearse's
children's names, it's possible that Francis or Frank was
named after Francis Dungey and Elizabeth or Betty was named
after Elizabeth Roberts. As for Catherine, Jenifer had
an older sister Catherine and there were also Catherine's on
the Julian side.
I've also confirmed that Jenifer
(Jane) Julian did not marry Isaac Grigg. She never married
and died a spinster.
Sometime after the
1841 Census in UK, Francis, his wife Mary
Retallick and their daughters migrated to the USA
because they are listed in the 1850 Census in New
York. I have not been able to find a death for Francis
but according to the census, he died sometime between 1861
and 1870 and Mary died 02 Feb 1885 in Grenville, Quebec,
b. 1795 married Thomas Varcoe on 10 Nov 1821 in
Roche, Cornwall and the witnesses were Francis Julian and
(Betty) b. 1798 married William Pearse on 22 Jul
1820 in Roche, Cornwall and the witnesses were Andrew
Pearse and John Rowe.
The following places of death and
burial dates for William and Jenifer's children and their
spouses are from the Cornwall OPC database and I still need
to confirm them with the parish registers -
William died in
Parkwoon, Roche and buried 22 Jun 1853 in Roche.
His wife Elizabeth Liddicoat died in Trerank Common,
Roche and buried 04 Mar 1855.
Mary Julian died in
Church Town, St. Mewan and buried 09 Jun 1864 in St.
Mewan. Her husband Thomas Cornelius died in Church
Town, St. Mewan and buried 18 Oct 1854 in St. Mewan.
Richard Julian died in
Bridges, Luxulyan and buried 06 Mar 1866 in Luxulyan.
His wife Elizabeth Stuthridge died in Luxulyan and
buried 12 Sep 1854 in Lanlivery.
John Julian died in
Tregoss, Roche and buried 10 Mar 1864 in Roche.
His wife Frances Liddicoat died in Tregoss, Roche and
buried 10 May 1866 in Roche.
Jenifer (Jane) Julian
died in St. Dennis and buried 03 Oct 1856 in Roche. May
have died in Menna Carn because she was recorded in the
1841 Census living with her brother in law and sister
Catherine.Francis (Frank) Julian and wife Mary Retallick
Catherine Julian died
in St. Dennis and buried 11 May 1870 in St. Dennis.Her
husband Thomas Varcoe died in St. Dennis and buried 26
Jan 1875 in St.Dennis. Place of death in St.
Dennis was not listed in the burial records but as both
were living in Menna Carn from 1841 to 1871 they most
likely died there too.
Elizabeth (Betty) Julian
died in Brynn, Roche and buried 23 Jul 1866 in
Roche. Her husband William Pearse died in Brynn,
Roche and buried 29 Jan 1867 in Roche.
suspect that William was Richard and Mary Julian's son
born in 1756, as yet I have not been able to prove it.
I've looked at one of the alternate
William's and the one b. 12 Aug 1747 in Withiel married
Elizabeth Rickard on 31 Oct 1772 and witnesses were John
Julyan and John Sweet. I'm currently looking at the
William born in St. Wenn on 20 Jun 1742 son of George
Julian and Mary Grose. It would be nice to rule him
out too leaving William baptised in Withiel in 1756 as our
On another note, there is no
marriage for Richard Julian and Mary in St. Wenn or
Withiel and as Richard was bapt. 1727, he may have
married from about 1745 onwards. It's quite
possible that William was born earlier and baptised
later in 1756 but in my opinion the likely reason for
the age discrepancy was the informant gave an estimate
or wrong age at death.
Regarding Jenifer's parents being
John Pearse and Mary Dungey, after their marriage, there
were no births/baptisms for this couple in Mawgan in Pydar
where Mary was born so it looks like they settled in Roche
where John was born. The date of birth for their
first child was 8 months after the marriage and children's
names fit with naming custom -
knowing the surname of John's mother Mary makes it hard
but the names Catherine, Samuel and Jenifer may have came
from her side.
Elizabeth 1737 after Mary's
mother Elizabeth Roberts
Mary 1739 after John's
mother Mary (surname unknown) and Mary herself
John 1741 after John's
father and himself
Francis 1745 after Mary's
father Francis Dungey
Elizabeth 1752 (Elizabeth
born in 1737 died in 1746)
Elspeth Julian for her
Ancestry tree. Thanks to Jenny Meadows
for her emails (above)