John Thompson and Mary Turner

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Parents    John (Snr) and Mary A Thompson         Joshua Turner and Elizabeth Stephenson  

John  Thompson (b 1866 Newcastle-on-Tyne, m Mary Louisa Turner 1887 Newcastle-on-Tyne, d 1893 Newcastle-on-Tyne)
Mary Louisa Turner (b abt 1866 Newcastle-on-Tyne, d 1901 N Fitzroy Vic)
      Norman Thompson (b 1888 Newcastle-on-Tyne,  m Winifred Emma Farr 1918 Northcote Vic, d 1932 Thornbury Vic)
      Frederick Thompson (b 1890 Newcastle-on-Tyne,  m Louisa Bertha Miles, d 1964 Carlton Vic)

John Thompson's  Story

John was born in Newcastle on Tyne in 1865 or early 1866. His parents were John and Mary A Thompson. (The A is probably Ann since her granddaughter was Mary Ann in the 1871 Census, but no other evidence). John was the eldest of five known children. The other four children were girls. His father was a cabinet maker. John would have had a strong temperance and Methodist upbringing, as in the 1871 census his parents gave their occupation as Temperance Missionary (John) and Local Preacher Methodist (Mary). In the 1881 Census, his father has reverted to Cabinet maker. John (Jnr) at age 15 was a draughtsman and  the older three girls were scholars. While John was working, he was also studying. He won prizes at the Newcastle School of Sciene and Art over a period from age 11 to age 18. (the prizes are listed below). When he married in 1887, his profession is again draughtsman. His wife Mary Louisa Turner had lived in Newcastle on Tyne all her life as well. In 1891 the couple are living not far from John's parents with their two young children. John is now working as a Lithographic Artist. Sadly, in March 1893 John died (of "Empyaema Asthemia"). Four months later Mary Louisa and the boys came to Melbourne to join her parents  who had come to Victoria two years earlier.

Mary Turner's story

Mary was born at Jarrow Durham about 1866. Jarrow  is on the south bank of the Tyne, not far from the centre of Newcastle on Tyne, and she generally gave her place of birth as simply Newcastle on Tyne. In 1881 she is living wih her parents, older sister and two young brothers at Westgate, Newcastle on Tyne. At he marriage her father described his profession as blacksmith, but just about everywhere else he describes himself as a whitesmith*. Mary  married John Thompson (see above) in 1887. When John died six years later she joned her parents in Melbourne. Her young brother John came wih her on the voyage (it has to be him, though he claims to be 22 when he is only 18).  She spent the rest of her life in  Melbourne, and died  in 51 Alexander Parade, North Fizroy in 1901, aged 35.
Brother Edward lived in Melbourne. Whether sister Ann came to Australia is not known.
*A whitesmith is a person who works with white or light-colored metal (such as tin) and does finish work, such as filing and/or polishing, on iron to remove black oxides. Whitesmith can also refer to the person who polishes or finishes the metal rather than forging it. - Wikipedia




John and Mary Thompson

Starting Information

We had the following certicifates:
Marriage 30 May 1887 Wesley Chapel Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland
John Thompson 21 years, Bachelor, Draughtsman, 56 Stone St, Newcastle. Father John Thompson Cabinet Maker
Mary Louisa Turner 21 years, Spinster, Redheugh Cottage, Shot Factory Lane, Newcastle, Father Joshua Turner Blacksmith
Birth certificate : Norman Thompson  28 May 1888, 156 Jefferson St, Newcastle on Tyne, Subdistrict Westgate
Father John Thompson. Mother Mary Louisa (nee Turner)
Death certificate : John Thompson   7 Mar 1893, 156 Jefferson St, Newcastle on Tyne, Subdistrict Westgate, aged 27
Gwen Smalley has prizes awarded to John Thompson by the School of Science and Art,  Newcastle on Tyne (Corporation St)
1976 - Science and Art Department - Prize for Freehand Drawing of the First Grade (certificate)
1977 - Science and Art Department - Prize for Model Drawing of the First Grade (certificate)
1981-2 - School of Science and Art - Commitee Prize (book Illumination by Windsor and Newton)
1984 - School of Art - Third Grade Prize (book Architecture - Gothic and Renaisance, by T Roger Smith)
1984 - School of Art - Third Grade Prize (book Classic Architecture, by Roger Smith and John Slater)

Mary Louisa and the boys came to Melbourne in 1893 after John's death, to join her parents Joshua Turner and Elizabeth (Stephenson), who had come to Victoria 2 years earlier. In Melbourne Joshua Turner made much of the iron lace found on houses and verandahs in Fitzroy and Northcote (suburbs of Melbourne).

SS Australasian left London 12/7/1893, arr 26/8/1893
Cabin         J Thompson 35  (listing looks like J F)            <---  unrelated as far as we know
Steerage     J W Turner Clerk 22 (Mary’s young brother)
                  Mrs Thompson 27
                  Norman Thompson 5
                  Frederick Thompson 3        Destination Melbourne

Research

    The Thompsons are an interesting challenge. Mary's family can be found easily because she came to Australia with her brother, giving us a family to match. For Mary's family, see her parents page. In John's case, his name is very common, and his father was John, mother not known. Added to this is a tendency for people to just refer to Newcastle on Tyne as a place of birth, without being more specific.
    The process was to find them in census records, and on birth death and marriage indexes..
    For John Thompson, his year of birth was 1865, unless his birthday was prior to 7 Mar, in which case it was 1866. When his age was given on 31 March in a census year (18x1), it should end in 5, eg 25 in 1891 (below)

1881 Census

The following family has to be them : Cabinet Maker + Draughtsman  +  John aged 15
20 Moor St,, Westgate, parish of St Phillips, Newcastle
John Thompson        Head        M        46   Cabinet Maker         Newcastle (abt 1834)
Mary A Thompson   Wife         M        37                                   Newcastle (abt 1843)
John Thompson        son                       15  Draughtsman             Newcastle (abt 1865)
Mary A Thompson     Dau                    13  Scholar                     Newcastle (abt 1867)
Annie H? Thompson  Dau                     12  Scholar                     Newcastle (abt 1868)
Isabella J? Thompson Dau                      9  Scholar                      Newcastle (abt 1871)
Elizabeth Thompson    Dau                     1                                    Newcastle (abt 1879)
Mr Odgear notes this address is very close to Stone St, the address where John Thompson was living when he married in 1887
For more Census data on John Senior, go to his page

1891 Census

Parish of Elswick, Arthur's Hill, Newcastle on Tyne,  156 Jefferson St
                                                                                                                                    Born
John Thompson                    Head  M      25   Lithographic Artist       Newcastle on Tyne (abt 1865)
Mary Louisa Thompson      Wife    M      25                                      Durham.  Jarrow (abt 1865)
Norman Thompson               Son                2                                      Newcastle on Tyne (abt 1888)
Frederick Thompson               Son                1                                      Newcastle on Tyne (abt 1889)
Jarrow is about five miles from the centre of Newcastle on Tyne, downstream, on the other side of the river

There is a 1863 book on Wills and executors that came through the Thompsons, inscribed J W Turner, Wakefield Terrace, Gateshead. . Not sure who JW Turner was, but possibilities
(1) The JW Turner who came with Mary Thompson in the Australian in 1893. Assumed to be her younger brother?
(2) Joe William Turner (b abt 1832),  brother of the younger Joshua
(3)  Glenis has a baptism record for Joshua Wood Turner, son of William (Cabinet Maker) and Hannah 4 May 1831 Huddersfield.
They also baptised John Wood Turner on the same day

Comments by Gwen on  the JW Turner who came with Mary Thompson
    He later had a music shop in High St Northcote (near Darebin Rd)

Documents

1841 Census Thompson mary
1841 Census Jane Thompson All Saints 1, 2, 3
1841 Census Jane Thompson Jesmond 5
1841 Census Jane Thompson St Andrews 4
1841 Census John and thomas in Wooler
1841 Census John and thomas in Wooler
1851 Census George Thompson
1851 Census thompson john Jesmond
1861 Census thompson john Jesmond
1871 Census thompson john westgate
1871 Census thompson mary
1881 Census thompson john moor st
1901 Death Mary Louisa Thompson (Turner)
1887 Marriage John Thompson Mary Turner 1887 TD 390702
1888 Birth Norman thompson
1891 Census thompson john westgate
1891 Census thompson john
1893 Death John Thompson HC 14300
1893 SS Australasian Cabin Thompson
1901 Remembrance Mary Louisa Thompson

Research Notes

Genes Reunited checked for John and Mary

When Mary died, the two boys were eleven and thirteen. Who looked after them?
Google no joy  Names are too common to pick up much reliably, Also some records say Newcastle Upon Ttyne, others just Newcastle On Ttyne

Acknowledgements

Thanks to Mr D Odgear, who generously researched John and Mary for us, including copying the above 1881 census return and obtaining certificates, way back in 1989
Thanks to Glenis Crocker for all the stuff in her research notes.
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