Joshua Turner and Elizabeth Stephenson

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Parents      Joshua Turner and Mary Inman            Edward  Stephenson and Hannah Pitt

  Joshua Turner (b Huddersfield, Yorkshire 1839, m Elizabeth Stephenson 1862 Newcastle-on-Tyne, d 1921 Melbourne) 
                                                                            m Jane Batty(nee Brackson) 1903 St Kilda)
  Elizabeth Stephenson  (b Newcastle-on-Tyne 1838, d 1899  Melbourne)
    Ann Elizabeth (Hannah?) Turner (b 1864, d aft 1920)
    Mary Louisa Turner (b abt 1868 Newcastle-on-Tyne, m John Thompson 1887 Newcastle-on-Tyne, d 1901 N Fitzroy Vic)
          Norman Thompson (b 1888 Newcastle-on-Tyne,  m Winifred Emma Farr 1918 Northcote Vic, d 1932 Thornbury Vic)
    Joshua Turner (b abt 1868, d 1871 South Sheilds)
    Edward Turner (b 1873, m Hannah Ann McBride 1905 Melbourne, d 1961 Melbourne)
    John Willie Turner (b 1875, m Grace Mabel Meldrum 1905 Fitzroy Melbourne, d 1964 Regent Melbourne)

Joshua Turner's application for Probate in 1921 by Edward Stephenson Turner lists
Surviving Children   : Edward Stephenson Turner, John Willie Turner and Hannah Louise Miller
His grandchildren, being the children of his daughter Polly Thompson,   Fred Thompson and Norman Thompson
who are his only surviving next of kin

Joshua and Elizabeth's Story

    Joshua was born in Huddersfield, Yorkshire in 1839. Huddersfield is a long way from Newcastle-on-Tyne, but the Turner family moved between 1851 and 1861 to Elswick, Newcastle-on-Tyne.
    Elizabeth was born in Newcastle-on-Tyne in 1838. Elizabeth's family were long time Newcastle-on-Tyne residents. Her parents were born there in 1807.
    Joshua and Elizabeth were married in 1862. and had five children. Joshua followed his father's profession of Whitesmith*. In 1881 Elizabeth was an Upholstress and eldest daughter Hannah was a dressmaker. Joshua came to Melbourne with son Edward on the Port Caroline in 1890. I cannot find a convincing record for Elizabeth arriving in Australia., but she was still in Newcastle on Tyne in the 1891 Censuc
     Joshua and Elizabeth  were joined  in 1893 by children Mary and John. Mary  came with John and her two young children after her husband died. We have no idea why at age 52 Joshua and Elizabeth left children and grandchildren and migrated to Australia. Ann was living at home as a dressmakeri 1881. Ann and Edward were still alive in 1899. Joshua and Elizabeth lived in the same suburb (North Fitzroy) as daughter Mary. Joshua made much of the iron lace found on houses and verandahs in Fitzroy and Northcote (suburbs of Melbourne) (Gwen Smalley).
    Joshua  remarried in 1903 to a widow Jane Batty. When she married, Jane had 8 children, 5 still living  They took over the care of Mary's children Norman and Frederick after their mother died. Joshua died in 1924.
*A whitesmith is a person who works with white or light-colored metal (such as tin) and does finish work, such as filing and/or polishing, on iron to remove black oxides. Whitesmith can also refer to the person who polishes or finishes the metal rather than forging it. - Wikipedia




Joshua Turner and second wife Jane

Starting Information

Death Elizabeth Turner, 15 apr 1899, N Fitzroy Vic, aged 61 years, Asthma, in Vic 7 years,
Married aged 24 to Joshua Turner, Children: Anne Elizabeth 37,  Mary Louisa 34, Joshua (dec), Edward 26, John Willie 24
Father Edward Stephenson, furniture maker, mother Anna
Death Mary Louisa Thompson 5 Oct 1901, N Fitzroy Vic, of Phthisis exhaustion
Father Joshua Turner blacksmith, Mother Elizabeth Stephenson, born near Newcastle on Tyne, 7 years in Vic
Married Newcastle on Tyne, at age 22 to John Thompson, children Norman,  Frederick
Marriage  Joshua Turner 22 July 1903 St Kilda, age 64,  of Huddersfield, Yorkshire and Jane Bathy
Joshua: Blacksmith, Riley St Fitzroy , Parents Joshua Turner and Mary Inman (Joshua 3 living 2 dead children)
Death Joshua Turner
23 Jun 1921 Melbourne, aged 84 , blacksmith, of senility
Father Joshua Turner, mother unknown, Born Huddersfield, Lived 29 years in Vic,
Married Newcastle on Tyne aged 21 years, to Elizabeth Stephenson, Children: Joshua (dec),  Hannah 57, Louisa (dec), Edward 49, John William 46

1841 Census

Dock St, Huddersfield            All born Same County
Joshua TURNER             35         Whitesmith       (b 1805)
Mary TURNER               30                                 (b 1810)
Joseph TURNER              8                                  (b 1832)
Louisa TURNER               6                                  (b 1834)
Frances TURNER  (F)      4                                  (b 1836)
Joshua TURNER            2                                  (b 1838)
Alfred TURNER                 3 months                     (b 1841)

For Elizabeth Stephenson, see her parent's page.

1851 Census

132 Zetland St, Huddersfield                                                                      Born
Joshua TURNER            Head      M      45         Whitesmith       Huddersfield (b abt 1805)
Mary TURNER              Wife       M      42                                 Alverthorpe, YKS (b abt 1808)
Joe William TURNER                   U       18                                 Huddersfield (b 1832)
Louisa(spelt Louezer!) TURNER   U       16                                Huddersfield  (b 1834)
Joshua TURNER                        U       12                                 Huddersfield (b 1838)
Alfred TURNER                            U       10                                 Huddersfield (b 1840)
Luke TURNER                              U        8                                  Huddersfield (b 1842)
Henry TURNER                            U         1                                 Huddersfield (b 1849)
Joseph FELIX                                         39        Equ??????        France
Jeniver(?) FELIX                                     30                                 France
Missing, present 1841  Frances TURNER  (F)                              Huddersfield
Alverthorpe, appears to be a suburb of Wakefield, about twelve miles E of  Huddersfield

1861 Census

11 Myrtle Terr, Elswick, Newcastle on Tyne, Westgate                      Born
Mary TURNER         Head   Mar    52                                      YKS (b 1808)
Joshua TURNER    Son                22      Whitesmith                Huddersfield, YKS (b 1838)
Luke TURNER         Son                17      Whitesmith                 Huddersfield, YKS (b 1843)
Henry TURNER        Son                  4      Tailer                         Huddersfield, YKS (b 1856)
William H TURNER  Son                  8 mon                                Huddersfield, YKS (b 1860)
Note Mary is not described as Widow, and her husband is back in the 71 census.
Yes Henry does seem to be described as "Tailer" in the census

1871 Census

Could not find Joshua(Jnr) and Elizabeth

1881 Census

82 Blenheim St, Westgate, Newcastle, Parish of St John                Born
Joshua Turner    Head    M    42     Whitesmith        Huddersfield, Yorkshire (abt 1838)
Elizabeth Turner Wife     M    42     Upholsteress        Newcastle (abt 1838)
Hannah E Turner   Dau      U   18       Dressmaker         Newcastle (abt 1862)
Mary L Turner      Dau      U    15                                 Newcastle (abt 1865)
Edward S Turner  Son       U     8                                 Newcastle (abt 1872)
John W Turner      Son      U      5                                 Newcastle (abt 1875)

1891 Census

Westgate Rd, Newcastle on Tyne
Elizabeth Turner      53   Head                                 Newcastle, Northumberland
John W Turner         15    Son  Solicitors Clerk           Jarrow, Durham, England
Margaret Scott Elizabeth Little Boarders, Domestic Servants

Documents

1881 Census turner joshua junior
1881 Census Elizabeth Turner
1891 Census Elizabet Turner
1899 Death Elizabeth Turner (Stephensen)
1903 Marriage Joshua Turner Jane Batty
1921 Death Joshua Turner

Acknowledgements

Thanks to Glenis Crocker for all the stuff in her research notes. Thanks to Gwenda Booth for her information on John Willie Turner and the Turners generally

Research Notes

Genes Reunited checked for Joshua and Elizabeth
LDS checked
Melb directories. Did parents and daughter live together?
Shipping records: get fiche 511 p11 and 525 p1, Still to find Elizabeth. NSW?e
google no
Interestingly Batty is a name that crops up in the Baptism and marriage records  in Huddersfield, Jane came from Laycock, about twenty miles N of Huddersfield. Batty was her married name though she was born Brackson - but LDS and Ancestry both seem to be almost completely Brackson free zones/

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