Thomas Thompson and Mary Smith

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Parents  Thomas Thompson not known    Arthur and Margaret Smith

Thomas Thompson (m Mary Smith 1814 Hewort Durham, d bef Apr 1841).
Mary Smith. (b abt 1799 Wooler Northumberland, d aft Mar 1871)
    Jane Bryton Thompson (b 1818 St Andrews Newcastle on Tyne)   
    George Thompson (b 1826 Gateshead Durham)
    Robert Thompson (b 1827 Gateshead Durham)
    Thomas Thompson (b 1828 Newcastle on Tyne, m Hannah Reed Newcastle NSW,d 1904 Newcastle NSW)   
    Mary Thompson (b 1830 Wooler)   
    Catherine Thompson (b 1832 St Andrews Newcastle on Tyne Northumberland)   
    John(Snr) Thompson (b 1833 Newcastle-on-Tyne), m Mary A 1865  Newcastle-on-Tyne, d after 1890)   
         John also married Ann Weber 1856 All Saints, Newcastle Upon Tyne, but she had died by the 1861 census. No children found, nor Ann's death
         John  Thompson (b 1865 Newcastle-on-Tyne, m Mary Louisa Turner 1887 Newcastle-on-Tyne, d 1893 Newcastle-on-Tyne)
             Norman Thompson (b 1888 Newcastle-on-Tyne,  m Winifred Emma Farr 1918 Northcote Vic, d 1932 Thornbury Vic)
    James Thompson (b 1838 St Andrews Newcastle on Tyne)   
    Isabella Thompson (b 1840 St Andrews Newcastle on Tyne)   

(Heworth is three miles east of  Newcastle on Tyne, close to Gateshead)

Mary Thompson's story

Mary was born about 1799 in Wooler, which is a small town about 27 miles WNW of Newcastle on Tyne. She married Thomas, probably between 1817 and 1829, and moved to Newcastle on Tyne . George is the eldest of her proven children, but there could be other children who had left home by 1851. In 1826 George was born at Gateshead, Durham, a couple of miles south of Newcastle on Tyne, but orin 1830 daughter Mary was born in her mother's home town of Wooler. Subsequent children were born in Newcastle on Tyne.  Thomas probably died in 1839 or 1840. Mary worked as a washerwoman/laundress to support herself and her family untill at least the age of 71. She seems to have stayed at  Jesmond, St Andrews, Newcastle on Tyne for the rest of her life, though at different addresses. Her family come and go over the years (see below). In 1861, son John has returned after being widowed. Similarly in 1871, George has returned after being widowed. George brought three of Mary's grandchildren (aged 15-22) with him.

1841 Census

Prudoe Pl,  St Andrews Newcastle on Tyne, all born in the county, except Isabella(?)
Mary Thompson       44           (abt 1796)        Ind 
George Thompson    15           (abt 1825)     Errand boy 
Robert Thompson     14           (abt 1826)     Errand boy 
Mary Thompson        11           (abt 1829)
Catherine Thompson    9           (abt 1831)
James Thompson         3           (abt 1837)
Isabella Thompson       1           (abt 1839)
Comments: Mary appears to be widowed already. Isabella is a nice link 1841-71
Wooler, High St
Staying with Robert (68, slater), Mary (68), John (40, slater) and Barbary (27) Rule are the two missing Thompson boys
Thomas (12)  and John (6). This family could be freinds or relations. Mary's maiden name was Davey. Barbary is a daughter

1851 Census

Middle St, Jesmond, St Andrews,  Newcastle on Tyne                                            Born
Mary Thompson       Head    W    51    Washerwoman           Northumberland Wooler (abt 1799)
Mary Thompson          Dau      U     20    Washerwoman           Northumberland Wooler  (abt 1830)
Catherine Thompson    Dau      U     18    Washerwoman           Newcastle on Tyne  (abt 1832)
John Thompson         Son       U     16    App Cabinet Maker    Newcastle on Tyne  (abt 1834)
James Thompson         Son       U     13    Errand boy                 Newcastle on Tyne  (abt 1837)
Isabella Thompson       Dau      U     11    Scholar                       Newcastle on Tyne  (abt 1839)
And nearby
Middle Street, South Side, St Andrew,  Newcastle-on-Tyne   
George Thompson 25 Solicitor Generals Clerk b Gateshead Durham
Hannah Thompson 25         b Newcastle-on-Tyne    
Mary J Thompson     2      b Gateshead Durham    (Mary A? see below)

1861 Census

29 North St, Jesmond,  Newcastle on Tyne                                                           Born
Mary Thompson   Head      Widow        62         Laundress           Northumberland Wooler (abt 1799)
JohnThompson      Son        Widower      26        Cabinet Maker    Newcastle on Tyne  (abt 1834)
JamesThompson      Son         U                23        Clerk Hat merchant     Newcastle on Tyne  (abt 1837)
Isabella Thompson   Dau         U                22        Servant                Newcastle on Tyne  (abt 1838)

1871 Census

34 Brundling? Place, Jesmond, St Andrews Newcastle on Tyne                            Born
Mary Thompson       Head       W            71       Laundress               Northumberland Wooler (abt 1799)
George Thompson       Son       Widower    44    Agent, solicitor's assistant    Gateshead Durham  (abt 1826)
IsabellaThompson        Dau          U            30      Laundress                        Newcastle on Tyne  (abt 1840)
Mary Ann Thompson    Grand  Dau     U      22      Dress Maker                  Gateshead Durham  (abt 1848)
George E Thompson    Grand  Son     U      19      Painter's Apprentice        Newcastle on Tyne  (abt 1851)
Thomas Thompson       Grand  Son     U      15     solicitor's Clerk                Newcastle on Tyne  (abt 1855)

Research Notes

Genes Reunited checked for Thomas and Mary
LDS  what we are loooking for now is:
Birth of Thomas Thompson, probably in Northumberland or Durham, probably 1780-1800
Birth of Mary ? in Wooler about 1799
Marriage of Thomas Thompson to Mary, 1818-25
Death of Thomas Thompson probably in 1839-40 in Newcastle unable to find anything

Possible extra children

The only children we have definitely are above, verified by census information. Searching the IGI via FamilySearch gives more who could be members of the family, but had left home by the 1841 census. (Their parents are Thomas and Mary Thompson, but no proof they are the same ones)
     Ann Thompson (b 1822, Christened 1826 Newcastle on Tyne)  -  Mother is Mary Ann
     Jane Bryton Thompson (b 1818 Newcastle on Tyne)

A  Marriage for Thomas

    I had two possible marriages for Thomas but an email from Michael Mecham in Feb 2008 confirmed my guess of Mary Smith. Michael is a descendant of Thomas Thompson (b 1828), ie of our John Thompson's elder brother. Michael found John's older brothers Robert and Thomas in Wooler in the 1851 and 1861 Census data. This ties in beautifully as Wooler is Mary Smith's birthplace, and we had found the other brother George, but not Robert and Thomas.  Daughters are much harder to trace as they have probably married.
    Michael's comment  on his Thomas is of interest:
Thomas Thompson b.1828 married Hannah Reed, as you have listed. She came to Australia under her real name of Dinah Howells, from Blaina, Monmouthshire. Their wedding cert. in 1869 has Dinah Howells, another name she used. That's a side issue. Of interest is that Thomas gave his parents as Thomas Thompson and Mary Smith and stated his father was a Mariner. This could explain the 1841 census with Mary on Independent Means - maybe she had a small pension payment from his death at sea.
An aside for our side of the family. Michael is descended from Thomas (b1828)'s son Frederick. John Thomas junior called one of his son's Frederick
Further email from Michael Aug 2008
    Thomas jnr was working as a slater, and living with relatives  the Rules (1851) and Smarts (1861)....I found these families again in 1871 in Wooler and Thomas certainly was no longer living with them. From his first known  daughter (Elizabeth Read, before their marriage) born 1864, it appears he came out to Australia around 1862.
     I've been unable to confirm his arrival in Aust. Nearest so far is:  
    Thomas Thompson arrived Sydney 6 Dec 1862,     aged 27; born abt 1835
    Whaling voyage, Vessel Prince of Denamrk, origin Northumberland. (; unassisted arrivals)
    Other data points to this Thomas being born 1828. In several instances, he is very flexible with his age, so the above remains a possibility, given his father was a Mariner.

Now Mary Smith needs some more checking 

Possible Births for Thomas

Thomas Thompson born 1797  All Saints,  Newcastle on Tyne, Parents David and Alice Thompson  - too young for probable Mary?
Thomas Thompson born 1781  St Andrews,  Newcastle on Tyne, Father Robert Thompson                                            <<<<

Possible Births for Mary Smith

Mary Ann Smith b 1798, christened 1806 All Saints Newcastle on Tyne, Parents John Sith and Mary Taylor
Mary Smith b Earsden(45D39) 1798  10 miles NE of  Newcastle on Tyne
Mary Smith b Branton (49J36) 1798  Small village 6 miles S of Wooler                                                      <<<< very probably her
Mary Smith b Newburn(45E37) 1798  4 mile W of  Newcastle on Tyne
Mary Smith b Elliingham 1800  40 mile N of  Newcastle on Tyne


Thanks to Michael Mecham for his help


1841 Census Thompson mary
1841 Census Jane Thompson All Saints 1, 2, 3
1841 Census Jane Thompson Jesmond 5
1841 Census Jane Thompson St Andrews 4
1841 Census John and thomas in Wooler
1841 Census John and thomas in Wooler
1851 Census George Thompson
1851 Census thompson john Jesmond
1861 Census thompson john Jesmond
1871 Census thompson john westgate
1871 Census thompson mary

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