Robert Roach and Mary Reed
Parents : James Roach and Mary Barrons (50%)
Richard and Mary Reed
Robert Roach (b abt 1820 Lelant, m Mary Reid
1844, d Penzance Cornwall 1903)
Mary Reed (b 1816 Wendron, d Penzance 1894)
Harriet Reid Roach (b 1845 Necledra Cornwall, d
aft 1860)
Robert Roach (b 1849 Necledra, d aft 1911)
William Henry Roach (b 1849 Towednack Cornwall,
d aft 1860)
Mary Jane Roach (b 1850 Towednack, m Matthew
Rodds 1873 Uny Lelant Cornwall, d 1877 or 1901)
Richard Reid Roach
(b 1855 Towednack, m Hannah Vine
1890 Flemington Vic, d 1934 Cheltenham Vic)
Leila Muriel Roach (b 1893
Rosebery Sydney, m Ernest
Harold Mitchell 1914 Kew, d 1972 Wodonga)
James Roach (abt 1857 Towednack, d aft 1877)
Robert and Mary's Story
Mary was born in Wendron
(twelve miles WSW of St Ives) in 1816, Robert about 1820 in
Lelant (two miles WSW of St Ives). The couple may have met through
Robert living in the same hose as Mary's brother William in
Towednack. They married in the early 1840s and lived in Towednack
and nearby villages of Lelant and Haselton for the rest of their
lives. Robert was a Stone Mason and Stone Cutter. Mary died in the
1890s in her seventies. In 1901 Robert aged 78 was living as a
pauper in an institution
Les Rowley
Evidence for the family above
(1) On his death certificate in Australia,
Richard's place of birth is given as as St Ives. Towednack is two
miles WSW of froim St Ives
(2) On his Marriage certificate in Australia, Richard gives his
parents as Robert and Mary (nee Reed) Roach.
(3) On his death certificate in Australia, Richard's
father's profession is given as Stonemason, which agrees
(4) On his marriage certificate in Australia, Richard gives his
place of birth as Towednack. and his second name as Reed.
(5) Richard and his brother James came to Melbourne in 1878 on the
Cuzco.. Thanks Fred, this was found by hard yakka, as it was not
computer indexed.
Richard's age is given as 22, James 20, so this fits nicely
(6) As a single man in 1841, Robert Roach is sharing a house
with William Reed, who looks like Richard and Mary's son. No- he
is still living with his parents in the 1841 census.
Census Data
1851 Census
1861 Census 1871 Census
1881 Census
1891 Census
1901 Census
1841 Census
Candidate A
Uny, Lelant, St Ives
Thos Roach 45 (abt 1795) Tin Miner,
Farmer
Mary Roach 40 (abt 1795)
Thomas Roach 20 (abt 1820)
Robert Roach 20 (abt 1820)
John Roach 20 (abt 1820)
Possibly our Robert Roach
Candidate B
Nancledra, Towednack, St Ives, all born in the county
Mary Roach
40 Grocer
Mary Roach 14
Grace Roach
13 Millener
Catherine Roach 10
Ann Roach
8
Matthew Roach 6
Robert Roach 2
next door
William Uren
20 Shoemaker
Honor
Uren 1
William Reed
15 Stonemason
Robert Roach
20 Stonemason
(Nacledra from when this record was found in Google)
Note this is not Robert's parents family, as there is another
Robert in the family. Also Robert above is clearly not the son of
Thomas and Mary Roach, as their son appears in the 1841 census
with his parents., Note also that this William Reed is not Mary
Reed's brother, as he is still living with his parents in the 1841
census
1851 Census
Ron Seed supplied 1851 Census data (Nancledra
3 Apr) in 1991.
Robert Roach
Head Mar 39?
Stonemason Lelant
(abt 1811)
Mary Roach
Head Mar 33
Wendron (abt 1817)
Hannah Reid Roach Dau
6
Towednack
(abt 1844)
Robert Roach Son
4
Towednack
(abt 1846)
William Henry Roach Son
2
Towednack
(abt 1848)
Mary Jane Roach Dau
9
mths
Towednack
(abt 1844)
Commenting that the copy was very faint and in parts badly
legible. Hannah could have been Harriett and Robert(Snr)'s age was
suspect., Naceldra is the only village in Towednack parish, and is
quite small,
He gives other families he found: Nancledra- Blanch Roach .
Towednack - (Amalwidden, William Roach - Conquer Downs, Henry
Roach) At lLelant Wilmot Roach
Comment Les Rowley: Ron Seed's comment about legibility might be
why I cannot find this record in the Ancestry.com index
1861 Census
Parish of ??? Lelants, St Ives, CON
Road :
Balmoor Where
Born
Robert ROACH
Head Mar
40 Stone
Cutter Lelants, CON (abt
1820)
Mary ROACH
Wife Mar
44
Wendron,
CON (abt 1816)
Harriett ROACH
Dau
16
Housemaid
Towednack,
CON (abt 1844)
Robert ROACH
Son
14
Tin
Miner
Towednack,
CON (abt 1846)
William ROACH
Son
12
Tin
Miner
Towednack, CON (abt 1848)
Mary J ROACH
Dau
10
Scholar
Towednack,
CON (abt 1850)
Richard ROACH
Son
6
Scholar
Towednack,
CON (abt 1854)
James ROACH
Son
3
Scholar
Towednack,
CON (abt 1857)
Lelants is 1 mile SE of St Ives. Wendron is 8 miles WSW of
St Ives. Towednack is 1 mile SW of St Ives
1871 Census
Unable to find Robert or Mary
1881
Census
Parish and village of Halseton, St Ives,
CON Road Haselton
Robert ROACH Head
Mar
62 Stone
Mason
Towednack, CON (abt 1818)
Mary ROACH
Wife
Mar
64
Wendron,
CON (abt 1816)
1891
Census
Parish and village of Halseton, St Ives,
CON 23 Top
Road
Where
Born
Robert ROACH
Head
Mar
68 Stone
Mason
Lelant,
CON (abt 1822)
Mary ROACH
Wife
Mar
73
Wendron,
CON (abt 1817)
1901 Census
Robert Roach is in the Penzance Union
Workhouse. He is describrd as Single, Pauper, 78,
Stonemason, journeyman from St Ives. He died in Penzance in
1903.
There is a probable death for Mary in Penzance in June 1894
Acknowlegements
Thanks to Ron Seed, who supplied the keys to
the Roach family in Cornwall
Research Notes
We have the following possible families for
Robert Roach from the OPC database for Lelant
John Roach (m Martha Hosking 5 Dec 1805
Lelant )
Frances Roach
(b. 23 Apr 1827 Uny Lelant) (John = miner,
residence Carne) (<<LDS )
James
Roach (b 30 Aug 1829 Lelant) (John
= miner, residence Carne)
Paul and Wilmot Roach
Mary Jane Roach (b 1 Feb
1829 Lelant) (Paul = miner,
residence = Beersheba)
Paul Thomas Roach (b 16 Jan
1832 Lelant) (Paul = miner,
residence = Beersheba)
James Roach (b 18 Sep
1836 Lelant) (Paul = miner,
residence = Trecroben)
James and Mary Roach
Mary Roach (b 1 Feb
1817 Uny Lelant) (James = labourer,
residence = Uny Lelant)
Henry Roach (b 15 Sep
1824 Uny Lelant) (James = mason,
residence = Uny Lelant)
The Wachtel-Smith tree on Ancestry has more Wife is Mary Barrons,
married St Erth 1813, later children Isaac (1827 Lelant) John
(c1835 Ludgvan) and Elizabeth (c1843 Ludgvan)
No Robert but James' father is Robert. St Erth
is about one and a half miles south of Lelant
Thomas Roach (m Mary Mitchell 1819)
Jacob Roach (b 10 Nov
1834 Lelant) (Thomas = miner,
residence = Fogue)
Isaac Roach (b 10 Nov
1834 Lelant) (Thomas = miner,
residence = Fogue)
Elizabeth Roach
Jane Uren Roach (12 Jul
1834 Lelant) (illegitimate, mother = servant, ,
Residence Carn)
Mary Roach
Lavinia Roach (20 Sep
1836 Lelant) (illegitimate, Residence Carn)
Thomas Roach (m Mary Thomas 10 Aug 1817, d
1852)
Paul Roach (b 4 Sep 1828
Lelant, d 1865)
Frances Roach (b 14 July 1833
Lelant, d 1921)
Looking at all the candidates, possibly the best choice is James
and Mary
(1) Children best fit for Robert
(b abt 1820)
(2) Our Robert's children include
(Willian) Henry, Mary and James
(3) James is a mason, tying in
with Robert's profession of stonemason
Put it 50% chance
Lelant , St Ives, Nancledra and Towednack are all within two mor
three miles of one another
FHO gives the following baptism :Parish
Towednack,
Robert ROACH, Date 21 Mar 1819 Father Thomas ROACH Mother Mary.
This Robert married Mary Roscrow 1849 Burra,
South Australia. I have had contact with Glenys Savage, who is
descended from this Robert, and he is clearly different.
Census information in 1841 confirms this.
Richard Reid Roach's death certificate states he spent
3 years in SA, so there may be some family connection
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